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on board basically. a deal that would avoid, for example, having to worry about raising the debt ceiling end of july, early august. is that at all doable? >> it is possible. i wouldn't go as far as saying doable now. but what i will say, the difference in approach now versus say two years ago when they tried this and it failed and it was, you know, almost the end of the world as the u.s. bumped up against the debt ceiling, the difference is they are going through what we call in washington regular order. everything is done in the open. i think that has lead to a different atmosphere on capitol hill where people know what's going on, they're voting on measures, and they're not waiting to see the white smoke from the white house when the president and house speaker and others are having private meetings that nobody is involved in. the fact that they didn't trust each other, then rank and file didn't trust them behind closed doors, that added to the problem. the fact it is happening in the open could help. >> at least the president is engaged in the so-called charm offensive, speaking with
that with this debate over -- especially with this debate over the debt ceiling that we're now expecting to come in august, that there will be some kind of grand bargain. we've seen over and over again how hard it's been to get to a deal. >> yeah. perry, i want to ask you about the kentucky senate race because there's been so much buzz around ashley judd potentially running there. now there's talk about kentucky secretary of state allison grimes and you're a louisville native, if i recall correctly. >> i am. >> i would love your read on what's going on here. could either one of these women beat mitch mcconnell? >> i have been talking to people down there from both parties. two dynamics going on. there was a lot of buzz about ashley judd in november, december, and even now, but a lot of the democrats in kentucky think she's too liberal for that state and they're pushing allison grimes who is secretary of state there. they view her as more electable. the other thing that's interesting is mitch mcconnell not beloved among all republicans there either. his approval rating among republicans not great
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